Dwivedi: Does it require that the people who are now claiming minority understood themselves to be minority at that time (1920)? only then my lord this came be proceeded so either we avoid it, we say that today in India the Muslims are a minority and therefore we jump to the conclusion that in 1920 there were a minority

CJI: but nobody has questioned that Mr Dwivedi

Dwivedi: the two referring orders

CJI: the question which is today been referred is whether they are established and administered by minority ....the fact that they are a minority today in UP, the fact that they were a minority in the relevant time .... because whether they were a minority or not has to be decided on the basis of today's standards, there no difference that in in 1920 as compared to today...

Dwivedi: that's precisely the point