CJI : not to deny that they form a class, but they form a class for the purpose of article 341, so there maybe a class for certain purposes there may not be class for certain purposes

Sibal : it is level of discrimination that runs through the entire list but their vocations may be different, they're historical backgrounds, extent of discrimination may be different... for example the Mazhbi sikh, their origin is from Guru Teghbahadur Ji, his body was mutilated and he brought that body to Guru Govind Singh Ji and he was a chammar, the person who brought that body was a chammar, who Guru Govind Singh took him in his fold, and the chammars became a part of the sikhism... that's the historical context. Mazhbi means faithful.

Gavai J : we will also need to cater to chammars in Punjab

Sibal : 32% of the population in Punjab is dalits. More than any other state in this country.