Khanna J : we go back in point of time to find out, who are the person who has established that institution. But the question whether they were a minority or not at that time may not be relevant. what is relevant whether on the date when the issue is examined they are minority or not.

CJI: so you are saying that all other universities established prior to indepedence cannot be minorities?

Dwivedi: yes that is my humble submission, by not examining this aspect by assuming ...

CJI: the constitution says that article 30 all minorities...when it says all minorities it looks at the sociological and historical position prior to the birth of the constitution

Dwivedi: it cannot be my lord

CJI : minorties were not created for the first time in 1950