Sibal : I'll tell you the mistake made by the petitioners in the Basha case, when they found that the judge was not agreeable to the fact that it was established by Muslim community, they started arguing that it doesn't matter, even if not established, it was administered which is contrary to 30. so my lords , the reference you will find is therefore established or administered, why because they argued that I am a minority even they don't find I have established but I administer. AMU was there before the court. Thats why that reference was made to that 'or'